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Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
1. Was Manhattan Island really bought for a very small amount of currency (be it $24, one string of wampum, etc.)?
No. Charles Gehring, Director of the New Netherland Project, explains this myth in a video (skip ahead to 3:03) by the New York State Museum. In it, he says, "This is one of the biggest myths...pure fabrication. It says in the records that it was 60 guilders worth of goods. 60 guilders worth of goods would have been a lot of hard goods that the Indians couldn't produce themselves. You couldn't place a price on the...things that they were unable to make, the things they didn't have the technology for. The $24 figure was attached to the document when it was translated in the 1880s. The translators looked up the rate of exchange at the time and 60 guilders was $24. Nobody has ever even adjusted that for inflation over the years, so you not only have an incorrect rate of exchange, but the whole idea of what 60 guilders would have been worth to the Indians at the time is totally wrong."

Keepin' it real: The greatest deal in history never actually was.

2. Why is New York City classified as having a humid subtropical climate?
According to NOAA's 1981–2010 normals, Central Park in Manhattan has a January daily average temperature of 32.6 °F (0.3 °C) and in July, this figure is 76.5 °F (24.7 °C). This, in combination with its generous annual precipitation of 49.9 inches (1,270 mm) means the city itself falls under the humid subtropical regime of the Köppen climate classification (see this map). Locations in this regime in general do not have winter snow cover that is reliable enough to augment cold air masses; the "subtropical" designator is only part of the climate type's name and does not mean that the city (or the surrounding region) is in the subtropics, nor that winters here are mild.
Former featured articleNew York City is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Main Page trophyThis article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on October 6, 2007.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
December 17, 2004Featured article candidateNot promoted
December 20, 2005Good article nomineeListed
February 17, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
April 4, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 17, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
September 18, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
December 3, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
January 31, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
June 10, 2007Featured article candidatePromoted
May 18, 2010Featured article reviewDemoted
October 30, 2011Peer reviewReviewed
June 26, 2012Peer reviewReviewed
April 25, 2013Good article nomineeListed
July 5, 2013Good article reassessmentDelisted
June 28, 2020Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former featured article
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2021[edit]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2021: In the "New York City" article, line 4 of the paragraph on English colonial rule in the History section: James Duke of York is identified as "the future James II and IV": this ought to be "the future James II and VII" (as per Wikipedia article on him). 174.3.209.17 (talk) 05:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Volteer1 (talk) 07:17, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2021[edit]

It is stated under "Geography" on this article that a point in Staten Island is the "highest point on the eastern seaboard south of Maine" at ~400 ft. That is simply not true. Various points throughout the Green Mountains in Vermont, Shenandoah Valley in Virginia, etc. are higher than 400 ft. 2604:2D80:D60A:D800:1DBF:58C7:C245:8EE3 (talk) 05:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Not done. There are plenty of mountains in the Appalachian chain that are thousands of feet tall, but they are not on the seaboard. The statement in the article is sourced. Station1 (talk) 08:30, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Common name[edit]

@Dhtwiki: Regarding your recent revert: indeed. That's not what the edit was meant to fix, however: "often simply called New York" makes it seem like "New York City" is the official name, which is usually reduced to "New York" for colloquial purposes, which is exactly the opposite of the actual situation. New York is the official short name of the city, while it is commonly referred to as New York City in order to distinguish it from the state. This is the same pattern as Bill Gates and even New York (state), for example. The common name / article title doesn't have to be the first phrase of the lead sentence verbatim. Getsnoopy (talk) 06:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay but just to pull three random examples look at Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Buenos Aires. All start with the name that's in the title and then say the official name. I think keeping the way it was is really fine, I mean New York City might not be "technically" official but it's what you're going to see in the vast majority of situations whether casual or from its own government so it makes sense to start with that I think. The Spirit of Oohoowahoo (talk) 12:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay I just realized I wasn't responding to what you were really saying, sorry about that. What if we just put "New York City, officially the City of New York and often known simply as New York"? I guess it's a little clunky but it is following the format of Las Vegas.The Spirit of Oohoowahoo (talk) 12:47, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
It's usual to have the article title, and likely the more usual name per WP:COMMONNAME, restated early in the lead, as it now reads:
New York City (NYC), often simply called New York...
Your version:
The City of New York, often called New York City (NYC) or simply New York...
put the official, and more rarely used, name first, which is unusual. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
This has been discussed many times in the past, most recently at Talk:New_York_City/Archive_19#"New_York"_vs._"New_York_City". The city has no explicitly "official" name. It is called "New York" in the state constitution, in the 1938 city charter and most laws. That is also the most common name worldwide, although "New York City" is also extremely common, especially when needed to avoid confusion with the state. The article's title is "New York City" as WP:NATURAL disambiguation from New York (state); otherwise it would be at New York. - Station1 (talk) 08:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't think that's at issue here. The issue is that the phrasing makes it seem like "New York" is a simplification of "New York City" when it is not. Getsnoopy (talk) 05:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I agree with you, as well as with your original comment. I was responding to the assertion that "City of New York" is somehow the official name. The name of the city is New York. The best possible opening would be "New York, often referred to as New York City...". Station1 (talk) 17:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Coming across this discussion, I went ahead and flipped the NY/NYC order in the intro sentence. Dralwik|Have a Chat 20:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Dhtwiki: Not unusual at all. The article United States does exactly this: official name first, then the common name (which is also the article title). This is documented at WP:OTHERNAMES, where it says that the article title and the names in the first sentence do not always match. Even then, that's not the case here; they do match, it's just that they're a few words later. This is totally standard form on WP. Getsnoopy (talk) 05:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
My saying that it was "usual" to restate the title wasn't meant to say that it was rarely done otherwise. Calling the "United States" the "United States of America" in that article's lead is something established, where you were making a change without, I think, good reason. Also, what percentage of Americans are apt to offhandedly say the longer form of their country name as opposed to New Yorkers using the long form you gave? Dhtwiki (talk) 23:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Extra whitespace after the "Climate" subsection[edit]

Greetings and felicitations. I'm seeing what seems to be an extra carriage return in both mobile and desktop modes after "Climate" and before "Parks", but the table/image is noted as "Edit on Commons" and I can't find it there. Help, please? And is anyone else seeing that extra space? —DocWatson42 (talk) 10:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

So I found Template:Graph:Weather monthly history, and I seem to have fixed the problem. —DocWatson42 (talk) 10:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)